When I started thinking about what direction to go in for posting about fashion, the movie The Devil Wears Prada immediately came to mind. For those who haven't seen it, the basic plot is about a girl who wants to be a journalist. She gets her first job at a fashion magazine working as the editor's personal assistant. The girl has little knowledge about fashion, and doesn't think it's really all that important. But in the clip in the link below, her boss scolds her, helping her realize that even the color of a sweater is the result of a long line of designer fashion ideas that trickle down to the shopping mall consumer.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/13046/the-devil-wears-prada-cerulean-sweater
Watching this scene from the movie again got me thinking about the idea that the clothes we wear are usually a lower-priced, re-created version of a trend that some big name designer created.
Example: My roommate and I were recently discussing how a cotton hooded coat from Old Navy that we both own really began as an item at a higher-priced designer clothing store called Free People. We both bought the coat last fall, and by this fall, a similar coat was available at another popular lower-priced store, Forever 21, and can be spotted often around campus. Another Example: I love the vintage-inspired styles at Anthropologie, but even a sweater at this store runs about $100 and up, a bit above my college-student budget. Therefore, I get ideas from this store, and then search out similar styles at lower-priced stores that I can afford. It seems that when the designers at the more mainstream stores realize a trend is going to be big (i.e. it was seen a lot on the fashion week runways, etc.) they develop their own version of it that the masses can afford...and usually by the time lots of people have realized it's the "new cool," some new trend is on the horizon that will eventually make its way into our shopping bags.
But Target is changing all of this. In the past couple years, the store has introduced its customers to designer fashions on a Target budget. It began mostly with home and interiors items, like the Rachel Ashwell's Shabby Chic Line and Michael Graves' kitchen items, as well as Sonia Kashuk's cosmetics line. Fashion designer Isaac Mizrahi followed along, with classic collections for each season, from clothes, to shoes, to sunglasses. He has even designed affordable wedding and bridal party wear available exclusively on the Target website.
Target clearly realized their customers liked the idea of designer items at a lower price point. One of their key advertising focuses in the past year has been on their slogan "Design For All: Great Design. Everyday. For Everyone." (http://www.target.com/b/ref=in_br_display-ladders/180-8787102-7720355?ie=UTF8&node=16317011) They launched the "Go International" campaign for the juniors set, in which emerging designers like Proenza Schouler, Luella Bartley, Behnaz Sarafpour, Rogan and Richard Chai have introduced their fashion ideas to the masses. According to an article in Women's Wear Daily, "industry sources have estimated that Go International does more than $100 million in annual sales." (http://www.wwd.com/fashion-news/target-to-launch-mcqueen-line-1850364)
With the success of other designer collections, Target has recently developed a new designer program, this time called "Designer Collaborations." Beginning in March, Target stores will begin selling a series of collections by more established designers, still at the lower Target price. The first designer in the series is the very-well known Alexander McQueen, who will call his Target line "McQ: Alexander McQueen for Target." Trish Adams, Target's senior vice President said of the designer collections: "Both programs are geared toward our trend-minded guests who are always on the hunt for the newest and hottest looks at an affordable price...designer Collaborations is another way in which Target brings an emporium of designers to our guests."
Target currently features more than 15 designer collections, ranging from products like make-up to party supplies, and of course, clothing. Target has appealed to our inner-desires for designer goods. I also think the idea of designer collections has helped set Target apart from other big box stores like Wal-Mart by creating a visually-appealing (through displays, packaging, and actual goods for sale, etc.) shopping environment for customers looking to get beautifully designed products at a similar price point.
Target has created a change, even if it's small, in how we buy goods. Instead of simply selling a watered-down version of a runway trend, Target has brought the real designers to the masses. I've bought many items from these collections, and I think this is probably because I like the idea of owning something that was designed by someone who's other items I could never afford.
So here's a few questions I would like to hear your thoughts on (you don't have to answer all of them)...Do you agree with the idea presented in the movie clip that the items we wear (and often don't think much about the design of) have trickled down from some earlier designer idea? Do you participate in the purchasing of these lower-priced versions of designer fashion trends? Do you base your purchasing of items of clothing on designer or brand-name items or other factors like fit, personal taste, etc.?
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like you, I don't have money to wear designer clothes...and even if I did have money for designer clothes, I'd probably be uncomfortable with spending $100 on a pair of pants. I love picking out things from expensive boutiques and recreating them in less expensive stores. While recreating them, I often find ways to inject my personality into the entire thing-which gives it even more appeal to me. :)
I don't know enough about the fashion industry to answer many of these questions. I mainly just see different people wearing clothes that I like, and the next time I am shopping at the mall, I look for something similar. I mainly end up shopping for clothes at The Gap and Banana Republic. Do they rip off fashion ideas? I don't really know . . .
I don't think any college student really has the money to buy the clothes that they wish they could have. I can see how lesser companies copy off of designer clothing. I see from watching popular TV shows as well. Companies copy what they see off trendy shows. I would love to wear Marc Jacobs, but I can't afford it. It seems like every time I go shopping I buy things that are on sale. I mostly shop online, and I try to find stores that no one has ever heard of.
This idea of ripping off ideas from more expensive lines in present in all aspects of consumer culture.
A few weeks ago was the post of the movies being created to imitate large upcoming films. We see this in the food and drug market all the time as well. Kroger brand, equate brand (walmart), etc. People are always looking to get the same type of product, but for cheaper.
Personally, I think the whole market of designer clothes is a joke. What makes one blue shirt 10 times more expensive that another? I have no idea, but apparently it isn't substantial enough for me to tell. When I buy clothes, I want things that I can wear a lot, do various activities in, and not be overly cautious about. If all of my shirts were super expensive, I would be overly cautious about everything I do, as to not ruin my clothes, because they are so expensive. Living that kind of life would be awful.
I'm a big believer in that comfort is far more important than a brand. If it feels good, who cares about who made it. Once I bought 4 pairs of nice dress pants for $20 total. I had never heard of the brand, but they were the extremely comfortable and they lasted for years. Clothes are clothes, but designers try to make us think that they are so much more.
I love fashion, but I still have my own style so I definately have favorite stores, but I still pick from what is popular and that I like instead of just following every trend that comes out. That being said, I love buying clothes from Target, I don't do it as often as I buy things from J.Crew or Nordstrom, etc. but I always to a walkthrough og their clothes and shoes whenever I go. Because I like to spend more on classic things that I know I will wear for years, and spend less on trendier items that are more of a novelty and that I might get sick of in a few months.
I think most designers know what is going to be the next trend. they all probably study these things. Then they go and make their own version of it. The cheaper the quality, the cheaper the price.
I am a poor college student and can't afford to spend a lot of money on designer jeans. I find good stuff at the DI if I look hard enough. I think it's good for a guy to dress nice, but only spend what he can afford. Fashion isn't everything.
I have no idea what fashion is. It's just something I never really pay that much attention to (although lately I have noticed a lot of girls wearing jeans and brown boots). I find clothes that I find comfortable and subtle and go about my business. I'd say comfort and price are the two biggest catalysts.
Designer clothing is considered so nice because of the label. You can get high quality clothing at other places but without the label. People put so much emphasis on the label that they are willing to spend large amounts of money for it.
I definitely agree that our styles have trickled down from high priced fashions. And yes, I do buy the lower priced versions, because I am a poor college student, and because I think the designer stuff is often too expensive to begin with. I will "splurge" only when I feel like the product is worth what it's priced at. I used to be a brand-name only type, but now I just go more for fit and comfort. Like I said, if I feel it's worth it, I'll buy it.
I don't know enough about the industry to really know.. But yes, I think most stuff we buy at the consumer level has trickled down from the designs of high-level fashion gurus... a trend in Paris will eventually inspire something we can afford. I'll agree though - I'm glad they create new looks for the times and sometimes good looking stuff - but the pricing is ridiculous. I went to the Armani store once and was with a girl, they had this tiny white t-shirt, probably $2 worth of cotton, and it had just the letters "B.B" on it. It was like $100. I laughed and asked, "Who would every pay for that?" Then I stopped laughing. Plenty of people will, and do. There are plenty of expensive fashions I wish I could get, but I am usually more than content with the offerings from Hollister, Abercrombie, AE, Banana Republic. They have nice, fashionable clothing at acceptable prices. But I do think it's great what Target is doing - it's obviously geared for women, so it doesn't benefit me or interest me. I feel like men have a lot less choices. Women have a lot more options.
i think to some extent that's true. but most of the things i wear are t-shirts and sweatshirts, something elite fashion designers want nothing to do with, most of the clothes i wear seem to be somewhat independent of the true "fashion" industry, but perhaps could be influenced by certain patterns or whatever from big name designers.
Target now sells clothing designed by Shaun White-the famous snowboarder/skateboarder -He is sponsored by the clothing company Volcolm-Volcolm's has two tag-lines for their clothing-one is "Anti-Fashion" and the other is "Youth Against Establishment" (Volcolm is a public company traded on the stockmarket)The irony gets pretty thick on both accounts.
I think the whole designer brands is a joke. From what I understand, each well-known designer has a couture line where he/she can create the craziest outfit out of the craziest material, this might explain the cost of the clothes they produce (rare materials, creativity, hours of labor in delicate details...) but each of them also have a second line which is for the mass. I have to admit, the quality, the cut, and the style of these brands are better than many of the "regular" brands out there, however, most of the prices for these high quality items are hyped up by the designers' names instead of the producing cost itself. It's understandable that we pay more for the well-knowns, but that much more, I think it's ridiculous.
i think that while there is definitely truth to designer things being for the most part over priced, some things are more expensive because they ARE a higher quality product. i buy clothes all the time from stores like forever21 and such places. However, i know that the clothes i get there are just going to fall apart. for trendy clothes that will go out of fashion quickly, thats totally fine. but if i want a good classic jacket, jeans, or pair of shoes i would much rather spend the money and get something i know will last.
It actually seems imperative to me to avoid brand name clothing. I have a great distaste for what they represent, and do not want to associate myself with it.
Also, I cannot justify spending very much on clothing if there is a suitable alternative.
I think this goes into the kind of messages I want to send. I really hate the kind of message that is sent by wearing a brand ad on my chest. A brand name does not represent who I am in any way.
Yes, I guess I do participate in fake designer purchasing... But I don't think I do it on purpose. When I buy things from target or Old Navy I'm not thinking, "this looks like designer, so I'm getting it" its usually more like "this is affordable and fits my style"...
in response to the first question, of course so. i remember my wife looking at a website called 'frugal fashionista' and it having a picture of a celeb decked out, then aside it a montage of items that mirror the celebs, but of very low prices.
in a way, i do participate in this kind of shopping. however, with big items like jeans and jackets, i buy quality. with t-shirts, shoes, and headwear, i bargain shop. so as to balance my wardrobe and wallet. i feel that with main clothing items, if you really want the look then you have to pay for it; or else the material or something will look cheap.
I am honestly pretty conscientious about what I wear, but I don't really like to spend a lot of money on clothes, it really isn't worth that much to me because I can look good in clothes that aren't at full price. But I guess what matters to me is if it fits right, looks good on me and even what brand it is, because it says a lot about myself and the style of clothes that I like to wear.
For me it is ultimately about personal taste- I don't care where it came from and who designed it but if it makes me feel good when I wear it then that makes me spend my hard earned pennies... You asked in the post:"Do you agree with the idea presented in the movie clip that the items we wear (and often don't think much about the design of) have trickled down from some earlier designer idea? I got this from a website for Tessuiti- A UK designer store: "Stand out from the masses and dress like a celebrity with our extensive range of men’s designer clothes from world renowned designers such as Hugo Boss Men’s and Lyle and Scott." The reason people buy designer labels is to 'stand out' but with this new cheap designer clothing- I think it defeats the point!
My apparel definitly fits the trickle down model. I don't like brand names at all. I don't like the label feeling. I definitely have a personal fit that I like. I'm not sure exactly what I like. I feel like I have adopted a certain style though. I dont' really know where it came from. It feels like a mixture of all the friends that I've hung out with, the style of my family, and my own personal likes. this feels weird to talk about as a guy.
I do follow fashion trends. I think it's fun, and especially nice to look cute (especially when I'm not at school). I definitely buy the discounted clothes and I don't think I'll be buying more expensive clothes when I make more money. Although I'd love to buy Jimmy Choo and Manalo Blahnik shoes and Fendi bags....
Target is great. I like to look good, and Target not only lets the shopper wear designer clothes at a low price, but it allows the shopper to keep/create his or her own style better than other discount stores do.
Think of the young-adult clothing stores in malls that have become so popular in the last 20 years. These force the shopper to not only throw their own styles out the window, but become a walking billboards also.
I'd rather wear clothes that look good, no matter the price, and have no logos than clothes that turn me into an advertisement.
I also like taking ideas from magazines and then I recreate them in my own way. I have found some great things at Target and I never make a trip without walking through the clothes. That said, I would rather spend more money on something that I know that is quality and will last. I also purchase a lot of my clothes from Patagonia because I support their causes and their dedication to conservation.
My wife and I have had the discussion many times before about the recycled nature of fashion. I think it speaks to how creativity comes about...you can either create something entirely new, or you can create a variation on that which has already existed, skinny jeans are a great example....they're popular again, but are used differently in fashion then they were in the 80s...
The clothes we wear seems to be inspiried by the fashions seen on the runway in one way or another. I think fashion gives us an opportunity to express ourselves with the colors and styles we wear. Most of us buy clothes from Nordstrom,Macys, or even Target because they offer trendy clothes we can afford. They typically don't carry the ostentatious designs seen on the runway, and they give us a chance to use skinny jeans and boyfriend sweaters (for example)how we please.
Designer clothes have a reason to be more expensive than regular labels. However I still think they are over prices. For example there is no comparing a $35 pair of Levi jeans to a $150 pair of Seven jeans. The material and fit of the jeans is night and day. Once you were a pair of jeans like that you will never go back to regular labels.
I don't pay enough attention to fashion and its influence from designer labels to really have much of an opinion. I'm content wearing old family reunion shirts you find at thrift stores and shorts that are so faded from washings and sun exposure that only inside the pockets can one find the true color. It does seem unlikely that all of our fashion comes from these designers though, I've seen some runways with models wearing the weirdest things imaginable and have yet to see that at my local Target.
I do believe that many of the smaller department stores in the malls do completely copy what is hot on the fashion runway. They are trying their hardest to appeal to lower-income consumers. Target has really stepped it up and found the solution to those consumers who are willing to shop for their clothes, housing decor, etc. at a department store. I think Target will continue to succeed in appealing to more and more consumers because as you pointed out most people want to fit in and wear what is hot and new. I think, especially after visiting China that name brands don't really mean anything. You can duplicate pretty much any design but for some people they will live and die by the tag that noone ever sees.
I think I buy what I like and what I have the money for. I will admit that I'm ok with buying jeans that are more expensive because I'm a big believer that these jeans really do last longer. I would consider myself pretty modest in my "fashion spending", but my sister is a whole other story. She will pay anything and buy everything. She will always buy designer clothing, it's just what she does, and they every once in a while she will be wearing a shirt that I love and come to find out its from target. People have their own style, and if that style if found at Neiman Marcus or target it still suits that person
I agree that most of the items that we can buy at Old Navy have come from another store where it costs more to buy. Even if you look at the differences between Banana Republic, The Gap, and Old Navy you will notice some items that are available at all of the stores but as you go up the "chain" you will also notice differences in quality of fabric.
I tend to buy my clothes based on my personal style and what I feel the most comfortable in. I don't really care what people are wearing on the runways or even what my friends are wearing. I might get my ideas from something that I see (if I like it and it fits with my personality) but I won't go searching after a knockoff designer pair of jeans anytime soon.
I am a poor college student and Target, Forever 21 and Old Navy make up a pretty large portion of my wardrobe. I like to think that I don't just wear clothing to follow the latest trend. But to some extent I know I do. Usually there's a reason everyone is wearing something...i.e. it looks good. However, I like to put trendy things with some of my own stuff that I wear simply because I like it. I think that's what most people do. And if I can do it for cheap it's even better!
When I am at home and go shopping with my mom, we always go to Nordstrom and Banana Republic. When I am at school, I go to these stores, but I usually only buy things that are on sale. I also only buy something if I really really like it. I love designer clothes, but I do not always get them. Companies are always copying designer clothes for those who do not want to spend hundreds of dollars on just one outfit. As a college student, I appreciate that!
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